about chuck hagel. the conversation was about chuck hagel and colin powell's support for chuck hagel, and he's being questioned about chuck hagel talking about the jewish lobby, and colin powell said that's a slip of the tongue, that happens. he meant the israeli lobby. so he's correct to defend chuck hagel, for a phrase that many saw as anti-semitic and intolerant. and not sarah palin. >> i thought you were going to break out the aggressively gay comment made by chuck hagel. before we get to l.z.'s viewpoint, i want to hear what jay carney said, one of the president's men. listen. >> i'm going to shuck and jive. time to shuck and jive. that's the super secret book. >> so, l.z., jay carney, the white house spokesman, said shuck and jive too. doesn't that muddy the waters a bit? >> no, of course not. it all depends upon who is saying it, what is the phrase is -- who the phrase is directed toward, and what is its intent? in the sarah palin incident, she was blowing a dog whistle. with carney, he was just referring to himself. those are two different things. i want to back up to some of
